401 as of now, so I’m going with 386.
The trend has changed in the sense that he used to gain some during the month, but he’s currently -8 from his low of 409.
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Lard I Mean Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - January 2024
by DerekMoors inokay people, you know the drill.
give us your best estimate for where jabba the hut's fatter, broker cousin will be with patrons on january 2.. some numbers to consider:.
last september is when he did his beg-fest and peaked at 478. just two months later, early november, he was down to 427. .
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One month ago he was celebrating 110K subs and you can read all about it on the Community tab of his YT page.
Precisely 2 videos have since been released in that period of then to the present, and now he’s at 111K.
So the beard video has over 2K likes and 36K views, an excellent figure for him and his best since the Aftermath video. That could explain most of the bump, but his Patreon count is at 401.
If you were to accept that he gained 1000 subs in a month, you’d also have to accept that none of them have joined as Patrons. In spite of his YT gains in subs, he has lost 20 patrons since the 110K subs announcement. Yet he gained 1000 YT subs in the same period of time.
Funny math or did he buy subs?
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Then there’s all that claptrap about a mean elder named “Geoffrey” in the Bramham cong. who had a hard on for Lloyd. Little of any of what Lloyd published about that made sense. It was essentially a personality conflict (with Lloyd - surprise!) with Lloyd making a list (sound familiar?) of Geoffrey’s mean traits.
Sounds like yet another elder pissing contest we all have witnessed until Lloyd stated that UK Bethel got involved. Huh? For something like this, the CO solves without Bethel input. They purposely stay away from these kinds of petty disputes.
Not only does “Bethel” come down against Lloyd, but he is stripped of all his responsibilities as an elder, yet remained one.
All because him and Geoffrey did not get on and Lloyd made a list? Doesn’t sound petty to me.
Round the same time the wife finds out he has been sexting again. Then in a curious sequence of events, the wife demands he come clean to the elders. Lloyd disagrees and knowing a bit about how their relationship worked, the only way that I can see that Lloyd would adhere to her terms would be if she threatened to leave him. Perhaps even having the ticket ready and having her shit packed and ready.
So both of them sit on the information for months and arrange for a transfer back to Daddy’s congregation. Lloyd slips a letter of confession and resignation as an elder under a Wilmslow elder’s door and thinks the matter is settled.
For someone who prides himself on knowledge of WT inside and out, this is astoundingly ignorant. A JC is set up. You know that and I know that.
Leaving such a letter indicates a hastiness to get out of town and quick.
What if the sexting incident Dijana discovered and the trouble with “Geoffrey” were somehow related? Whatever happened with Geoffrey wasn’t just a case of personality conflicts. Something happened. Perhaps another matter of sexual malfeasance.
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Yeah, we'll probably never know what the reality was but one thing we DO know for certain - he absolutely did have something to fucking hide otherwise he would have recorded it.
The Lloyd Evans JC of 2013 is like the exJW version of the JFK assassination.
Like the Warren Commission, his stated version makes little sense and has so many plot holes and leads that were never followed.
If Apostasy was discussed during the JC, perhaps it was only one of several issues that the elders had with Lloyd.
Precisely. I’m sure apostasy was one of the reasons he was summoned. But it wasn’t the only reason. Was Lee Harvey Oswald involved in the JFK assassination? Absolutely. But was he the lone gunman, and no one else knew what he was up to? We are meant to believe he was, just as Lloyd Evans was buttering up his audience with tales of apostasy in preparation for his JC.
You really had to be there following him on FB at the time. The initial announcement that he was being summoned was followed by update after update like he was reporting for the BBC.
Would Dijana be summoned too?
Would Lloyd appeal the decision?
How do the in-laws figure into this, and could the poor Evans couple with a child on the way be on the street!?!
Stay tuned!
You know what else happened? Tonnes of messages of solidarity and support, a bunch of “go get ‘em Lloyd, we have your back!!”
It was like the finale of Lost or The Sopranos, everyone wanted to know what happened. And like The Sopranos, Lloyd went to a black screen before the action began.
(Spoiler Alert) Tony Soprano got shot and the Wilmslow incident(s) followed Lloyd into the Sisak JC.
I’m telling you if he recorded that JC it would still be getting views today. He’d be doing livestreams on it on the anniversary dates complete with new commentary.
Why didn’t he record it and just delete the inconvenient parts?
What if comparatively little of it was about the apostasy, enough to make an abridged recording untenable?
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NOOOO, he goes to the Aust. zoo and send M.O'Donnell and J.Ortiz instead
And in typical Lloyd fashion, he admits something up until then no one brought up. Gave away the entire game and reason he was over there by revealing that he took his family to the zoo.
This is why you don’t bring family on “activism” trips. It should have never been funded from local exJWs - not one cent. Arguably the most important interview subject there and he bails.
And he had the nerve to criticise the TTATT crew for delaying the production!
It’s also why you don’t pay for trips for “Fulltime activists”. He had the Patreon tap still running at the time and was essentially getting paid double. When a family goes on a trip, they come back home to a drained bank account.
Not the Evans family! Both of them undoubtedly started thinking of destinations that could double as activism trips. I also remember the proposed caravan trip through huge swaths of America, one zigzagging from Maryland to Dallas - hitting places such as Nashville and Chicago along the way.
That’s what is so glorious about him being exposed. We can’t stop the random idiot giving him money for a trip, but these crowdfunds for trips and other projects are effectively over.
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Has he produced anything that is original research done by himself that wasn't just re-stating what is common opinions among exJWs?
I’d say “read the book” but I don’t want to waste your time. His doctrinal section was literally peppered with quotes from Ray Franz, James Penton, and for more recent reporting, Barb Anderson. I skimmed over most of it. Why?
BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY READ IT IN FRANZ’S/PENTON’S BOOKS AND THROUGH BARB’S AND OTHERS POSTS HERE AND ELSEWHERE.
Now look to how TRA was published and released. That’s right, through the best nation on earth - DONATION.
Almost $21,000 USD.
What are we hearing now from this fountain of knowledge?
How he’s suing people he calls criminals who did nothing more than make commentary on information he disclosed. Listen closely - he’s strongly hinting at possible jail sentences and stiff financial penalties he knows damn well would BANKRUPT several of his targets.
How he needs another holiday (paid for in full by a viewer!) and cannot make his promised Patron calls.
How exJWs are such horrible people when they don’t accept his proven lies as truth. Don’t agree with him? You have the JW MINDSET ®.
But on a positive note he has done a lot of good for the ex JW community
Bullshit.$21,000, homie. Plus all the free family trips and hundreds of thousands of dollars sent his way. Thank you? No, we got a fuck you, he’s spending this money on trafficked women and lies about dating them. We got a bullshit lawsuit he’s still making threats about.
He’s made his living off volunteer work and crowdfunding off exJWs he’s “given up on”. He has nothing but contempt for you. All he’s thinking about is how he can get more of YOUR money so he doesn’t have to work.
NOTHING he does is done out of a spirit of altruism. He deduced very early on that exJWs were by and large a vulnerable people easily charmed out of their money.
A snake oil salesman. A charlatan. A fraud.
You’re being manipulated by even thinking he’s doing good. Talk to anyone who has ever come in his crosshairs about how much “good” he’s doing. It’s all a facade to cover up the real motivation here - profiteering.
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What makes his comment odd about having his sexuality “tampered with” is the fact that at the time he said it, all that was really revealed were allegations (confirmed by Lloyd shortly thereafter) of him seeing prostitutes for many years on a regular basis. For all we knew, him and his wife had a normal sexual relationship and he was seeking a little something extra on the side when he was travelling without her.
That is until he came out of nowhere saying that him and his wife weren’t sexually compatible. It’s important to remember that no one accused him of that. He came right out with it almost as if his wife was withholding a sexual act he preferred that she was not into.
Oh… right.
So if anyone were guilty of “tampering” with his sexuality, it would have been … his wife? Read the letters. He blamed it all on her and beat her down because of it.
I believe he said that about sexual incompatibility out of spite against her. He knew quite well she had been feeding people outside the marriage solid first hand info about how he treated her and the overall state of the marriage, complete with screenshots. It was his “tit for tat” against Dijana for giving people the lowdown of what really went on.
He couldn’t hold himself back on telling people the “why” and trying to grasp at a vigourous defence. I’m quite certain he still holds a lot of that against her, holding her directly responsible for the majority of that info being out there (such as the letters, the pic of him and the hooker) that are going to be easy Google search results for whenever his daughters want to find out the real truth about their father and what happened in 2022.
He even wrote a song about it…. “Is this what falling out of love feels like…”
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I always wondered why LadyBoi Evans decided to confide in Kim about going to Thailand and "dating" sex workers there. Like it was no big deal. Why give yourself up like that?
Because he got off on telling people about things like that. Having sex with only one person in his life obviously bothered him and in his own twisted way, casually mentioning he sees prostitutes was him telling her how “cool” he was.
Wasn’t the first time either. In the book he just couldn’t stay off that subject, and even after he had moved on from it he circled back to relate the story about humping Christmas trees.
He views himself as a “sexual being” and felt he didn’t need to change anything about himself as this passage from his letter to Dijana illustrates:
I am a sexual being, and my sexuality is not an abomination or something that needs fixing.
He wanted to come out with this all, and only didn’t because of the controversy it could cause and the loss of income. It was also the (only) reason he tried to save the marriage. He probably had a grand video planned that went into his sexuality once the open marriage was agreed upon and was working.
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If Croatia is anything like Germany and Austria you are supposed to let the authorities know where you reside. You can’t just come and go as you please without letting the police know, as you can pretty much in the UK.
It’s like that especially in the former Eastern Bloc where being registered at a certain residence was necessary to establish rights of tenancy and later, ownership.
Dijana wasn’t born in “Croatia”. If you were to take a look at her birth documents, you’d see the stamps of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, both in Latin (Croatian/Slovenian/Bosnian) script and in Serbian Cyrillic.
It’s fair to say that the police coming to her and her parent’s residence looking for a man who hadn’t lived there in almost two years made an impression on them, given cultural norms.
Here’s a question for Kim, though not sure she can fully answer it due to it being in Croatia, but here goes:
Police are dispatched to the in-laws/estranged wife’s home looking for Lloyd regarding a court matter. Specifically, mail sent to him at that address was not deliverable to him and returned to the court.
So that would mean that Dijana (or perhaps the parents) refused the mail and did not forward it to Lloyd personally, but sent it back via postal service, right?
She told them he’d be back on the 27th. Back where? To the house or his new place? I also think it’s fair to say the police questioned whether he lived there or not given that the mail was returned.
I ask because if all she said was he was returning on the 27th and left out the crucial piece of info that it would be to another residence, that could be considered giving the police false information, right?
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Slim' is right about the inertia of many patrons.
Imagine if there was some sort of massive Patreon data breach and all Patrons either had to re-enter their CC/Debit or create new accounts altogether? Lloyd would make another “urgent” video of course, but he’s not getting his 401 Patrons back. He’d be extremely fortunate to get 300 of them back. I’d say if he had to start over right now, we’re talking about 100-200 re-pledges and that’s after making yet another begging video.if someone who makes good videos puts out an update on YouTube about the current situation it could be very effective.
Take a look at the comments on his “Aftermath” video that was still trickling in and he’s still responding to. Also check out the replies to his comment about the lawsuit on his Community tab on YT. The problem is not that we don’t have contrary info out there about him. It’s also not that people aren’t finding it either. Enter his name into a YT search browser and you’ll see what I mean.
Some people actually believe him when he’s going off about lawsuits and criminal defendants. So someone can make a comprehensive video about all the facts and how ridiculous the lawsuit is, but it’s worth pointing out the mentality of the recently exited and the mentalities of exJWs in general. Like Thomas, they need visual proof. Not commentaries of how this is supposedly going to go.
They think they know Lloyd so he’s given the benefit of the doubt and then some, as many of these comments echo his sentiments precisely about how laws were broken and his tired old trope about “justice being served no matter how long it takes”. The uneducated are suckers for these courtroom dramas on TV where justice prevails and the jury delivers its verdict to deafening applause. That’s the trap Lloyd has set for himself.So don’t just talk about Christ returning, bring him close to these people’s faces and show them these wounds.
By that I mean the FINAL word on this entire Lloyd Evans defamation claims by means of the dismissal document the Sisak court will issue.
The impact of that verdict would be massive given that he keeps beating that drum. It’s a ticking time bomb of truth that’s going to humiliate him. He’s going to immediately retaliate once it is dismissed, you can count on that. That’s when you go for the kill.